Damien White
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:22:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:but I still think a lot of the problems here are related to cost. If the Nestor was 500mil I doubt this discussion would be as common.
The problem is not the money but the simple fact that you wantet to create some sort of "Jack of all trades" ship that even excells the Dominix in that regard without realizing, that for everything woth more than the dirt under your toes people are looking for soecialized ships.
No one in his right mind would field a 500m Logistic when he can have the same effect for half the price.
No one would field a 500m shiny drone boat because we already have one realy good one for less than 25% of the money.
No one would go for some half decent Neut fitting because when you go neut you go full neut, half decent isnt even remotely useable.
What did you want to happen? People beeing happy about a ship, that can do everything but nothing realy good?
My personal problem with this ship is also the way it was implementet. You got heavy fire from every side for this concept without purpose or direction there was a thread with more posts in it than some forum sections have combined but still, you did throw out the ship as it was with boni that did not help eachother, a slottlayout that simply screamed "Kill me" (try to fit a propper buffertank and you will see) and some explanations about "Its superlight so it can go in WH space" without realizing, that no one gave a crap because no matter how light it is, without propper Damage it is useless.
But you cant simply create a new "DPS monster of the week", yet you tried to make it a viable option to other faction battleships in terms of DPS. Do you even have an idea of what kind of competition we are talking about? Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator are the most brutal ships out there when it comes to doing some damage, the Bhaalgorn is one of the best Neut ships and the rattlesnake has at least a weaponsystem that does not kill its cap, has good damage projection and a slotlayout to boost all of this. (and it is still far behind even some normal BS)
The issue is not the ammount of money you have to pay, yes the voices would be smaller but aside from some realy strange dudes no one would fly this thing. Because the core problem are not the isk or lp, its the ship itself and sadly you just cant change a bit here and there, you have to start from scratch and first find a role for this thing.
One little tip: Dont try to go for Damage, we have more than enough damage based ships and just because a Drone + Laser ships is missing (so is Projectile + Drones) does not mean we need a Drone + Laser ship. How about you scratch drones and laser and any weapon at all, then try to find a purpose that goes beyond "well... it can scan... and rep... and it is lightweight" and than, as one of the last steps, start thinking about weapons.
Maybe it will become a ship that doesnt need some at all.
EDIT: @ Thread: I dont think the Nestor needs a cov ops cloack. It would be a neat gimmick but not solve the problem.
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